Flugplatzrennen
Tulln-Langenlebarn, 14 Jul 1968
Results | Laps | Time/Speed | |||||||
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1 | Jochen Rindt | Brabham BT23C [5-2] - Cosworth FVA #1 Roy Winkelmann Racing (see note 1) |
70 | 1h 15m 24.63s 159.12 kph |
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2 | Jean-Pierre Beltoise | Matra MS7 [05] - Cosworth FVA #3 Matra Sports |
70 | 1h 15m 57.15s |
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3 | Henri Pescarolo | Matra MS7 [06] - Cosworth FVA #4 Matra Sports |
70 | ||||||
4 | Kurt Ahrens | Brabham BT23C [8] - Cosworth FVA #10 Caltex Racing [Kurt Ahrens] (see note 2) |
70 | ||||||
5 | Jackie Oliver | Lotus 48 [R1] - Cosworth FVA #19 Gold Leaf Team Lotus (see note 3) |
70 | ||||||
6 | Ernesto "Tino" Brambilla | Brabham BT23 [2] - Cosworth FVA #16 Scuderia Picchio Rosso (see note 4) |
70 | ||||||
7 | Derek Bell | Ferrari Dino 166 [0010] 6 #6 SpA Ferrari SEFAC |
69 | ||||||
8 | Frank Gardner | McLaren M4A [200-22F] - Cosworth FVA #8 The Chequered Flag (see note 5) |
68 | ||||||
9 | Günther Huber | Brabham BT23 [3] - Cosworth FVA #11 Squadra Tartaruga (see note 6) |
68 | ||||||
10 | Corrado Manfredini | Brabham BT23C [12] - Cosworth FVA #15 Scuderia Picchio Rosso (see note 7) |
66 | ||||||
11 | Mike Beckwith | Lola T100 [SL100/4] - Cosworth FVA #17 David Bridges Racing (see note 8) |
66 | ||||||
12 | Chris Amon | Ferrari Dino 166 [0008] 6 #5 SpA Ferrari SEFAC |
65 | ||||||
R | Brian Hart | Brabham BT23C [9] - Cosworth FVA #18 Church Farm Racing Team (see note 9) |
46 | suspected broken ring | |||||
R | Graham Hill | Lotus 48 [R2] - Cosworth FVA #22 Gold Leaf Team Lotus (see note 10) |
42 | leaking oil filter seal | |||||
R | Piers Courage | Brabham BT23C [7] - Cosworth FVA #20 Frank Williams Racing Cars (see note 11) |
39 | overheating | |||||
R | Chris Lambert | Brabham BT23C [4] - Cosworth FVA #21 London Racing Team (see note 12) |
33 | metering unit (before start of heat 2) | |||||
R | Robin Widdows | McLaren M4A [200-15F] - Cosworth FVA #9 The Chequered Flag (see note 13) |
19 | broken drive boss (heat 1) | |||||
R | Silvio Moser | Tecno 68/F2 [T00 286] - Cosworth FVA #14 Charles Vogele Racing Team (see note 14) |
1 | accident ("extensively damaged") | |||||
R | Alan Rees | Brabham BT23C [11] - Cosworth FVA #2 Roy Winkelmann Racing (see note 15) |
1 | accident ("extensively damaged") | |||||
DNP | Gerhard Krammer | Brabham BT18 [F2-15-66] - Alfa Romeo GTA #12 Walter Habegger |
Did not take part in official practice (BT18/GTA (MN)) |
All cars are 1.6-litre F2 unless noted.
Heat 1 | Laps | Time | Speed | |
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1 | Jochen Rindt | 35 | 37m 44.62s | 158.96 kph |
2 | Jean-Pierre Beltoise | 35 | 37m 50.31s | |
3 | Henri Pescarolo | 35 | 38m 10.27s | |
4 | Kurt Ahrens | 35 | ||
5 | Jackie Oliver | 35 | ||
6 | Mike Beckwith | 35 | ||
7 | Ernesto "Tino" Brambilla | 35 | ||
8 | Brian Hart | 34 | ||
9 | Frank Gardner | 34 | ||
10 | Graham Hill | 34 | ||
11 | Günther Huber | 34 | ||
12 | Derek Bell | 34 | ||
13 | Chris Lambert | 33 | ||
14 | Corrado Manfredini | 33 | ||
15 | Chris Amon | 29 | ||
Robin Widdows | 19 | broken drive boss | ||
Piers Courage | 15 | delayed by overheating | ||
Silvio Moser | 1 | accident ("extensively damaged") | ||
Alan Rees | 1 | accident ("extensively damaged") |
Heat 2 | Laps | Time | Speed | |
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1 | Jochen Rindt | 35 | 37m 40.01s | 159.29 kph |
2 | Jean-Pierre Beltoise | 35 | 38m 06.84s | |
3 | Henri Pescarolo | 35 | 38m 07.74s | |
4 | Kurt Ahrens | 35 | ||
5 | Ernesto "Tino" Brambilla | 35 | ||
6 | Jackie Oliver | 35 | ||
7 | Derek Bell | 35 | ||
8 | Chris Amon | 34 | ||
9 | Frank Gardner | 34 | ||
10 | Günther Huber | 34 | ||
11 | Corrado Manfredini | 33 | ||
12 | Mike Beckwith | 31 | ||
13 | Piers Courage | 24 | retired - overheating | |
14 | Brian Hart | 12 | retired - suspected broken ring | |
15 | Graham Hill | 8 | retired - leaking oil filter seal | |
Chris Lambert | did not start - metering unit | |||
Robin Widdows | did not start | |||
Alan Rees | did not start | |||
Silvio Moser | did not start |
Qualifying | |||||
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1 | Jochen Rindt | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23C [5-2] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 03.27s | ||
2 | Chris Amon | (F2) 1.6-litre Ferrari Dino 166 [0008] - Ferrari Dino 6 | 1m 03.7s | ||
3 | Jean-Pierre Beltoise | (F2) 1.6-litre Matra MS7 [05] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 04.1s | ||
4 | Piers Courage | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23C [7] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 04.3s | ||
5 | Alan Rees | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23C [11] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 04.3s | ||
6 | Henri Pescarolo | (F2) 1.6-litre Matra MS7 [06] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 04.3s | ||
7 | Robin Widdows | (F2) 1.6-litre McLaren M4A [200-15F] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 04.54s | ||
8 | Jackie Oliver | (F2) 1.6-litre Lotus 48 [R1] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 04.54s | ||
9 | Kurt Ahrens | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23C [8] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 04.76s | ||
10 | Silvio Moser | (F2) 1.6-litre Tecno 68/F2 [T00 286] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 05.0s | ||
11 | Derek Bell | (F2) 1.6-litre Ferrari Dino 166 [0010] - Ferrari Dino 6 | 1m 05.0s | ||
12 | Ernesto "Tino" Brambilla | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23 [2] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 05.28s | ||
13 | Chris Lambert | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23C [4] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 05.5s | ||
14 | Brian Hart | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23C [9] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 06.0s | ||
15 | Graham Hill | (F2) 1.6-litre Lotus 48 [R2] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 06.2s | ||
16 | Frank Gardner | (F2) 1.6-litre McLaren M4A [200-22F] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 06.24s | ||
17 | Mike Beckwith | (F2) 1.6-litre Lola T100 [SL100/4] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 06.26s | ||
18 | Corrado Manfredini | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23C [12] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 06.52s | ||
19 | Günther Huber | (F2) 1.6-litre Brabham BT23 [3] - Cosworth FVA | 1m 06.83s |
Notes on the cars:
- Brabham BT23C [5-2] (Jochen Rindt): New to Winkelmann Racing for Jochen Rindt to race in F2 in 1968, winning four of his first seven races. Driven by Vic Elford at at Monza in June and crashed. The car was rebuilt on a new chassis and Rindt won two more races later that year. To Ecurie Ecosse and raced by Graham Birrell in F2 in 1969. Ecurie Ecosse and Birrell had a BT30 for 1970 but the BT23C was raced in a libre at Ingliston in May when it was crashed. Sold in July to Stanley Robinson who fitted the engine, gearbox and suspension to the Unipower GT Group 6 car he raced with John Blanckley. The BT23C chassis was repaired some time around 1972 and sold to Joe Applegarth (Houghton-le-Spring, County Durham) who built it up using parts from BT23C/16 and fitted a pushrod Ford engine for Monoposto racing. Raced by Applegarth from 1973 until the end of 1977, competing in around 130 events, and then retained after Applegarth retired. Sold by him to Joe Willenpart (Scheibbs, Austria) in 2010.
- Brabham BT23C [8] (Kurt Ahrens): New to Kurt Ahrens (Braunschweig, Germany) and raced by him in F2 in 1968 under the Caltex Racing banner. Sold to Bernd Terbeck (Hiltrup, Germany) and run as part of the Montan Racing Team in F2 in 1969 and 1970. Then unknown in 1971 and 1972. Former Mini racer Graham Cooper (Sedgley, Worcestershire) raced his "newly acquired Brabham BT23C" in a sprint at Curborough in March 1973. This car was sold by Cooper to Richard Churchley (Hampton-in-Arden, Warwickshire) and run by him in sprints in 1975 with a Ford twin cam and then in 1976 with a 1600cc Hart BDA. From Churchley to Bill Morris who wanted the engine for his Ensign and sold the rest of the car to Robin Darlington (Ruabon, Wales) in early 1977. Then to Les Aylott (Oakham, Rutland) and David Knowles, fitted with Aylott's turbcharged 1600cc BDA engine by by June 1977, and raced in 1977 and 1978. Advertised from Oakham in April 1981. Then unknown until raced by Peter Rogers (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire) in the HSCC Bradburn & Wedge Pre-71 series in 1984 with a BDA engine. (Possibly the car raced by Jon Bradburn in late 1983.) Raced by Rogers until 1987. Sold by Rogers' father Sir John Rogers to David Brown (Ashford, Kent) in 1999 and raced by him in the HSCC Classic Racing Cars Championship. Raced regularly by David Brown (Ashford, Kent) in HSCC events until sold to Graham Adelman (Free Union, VA) in 2014.
- Lotus 48 [R1] (Jackie Oliver): The prototype Lotus 48 was taken out to Australia for Graham Hill to drive in the Australian Grand Prix at Warwick Farm in February 1967, when he retired. It was then the Team Lotus spare car at the start of the F2 season, first racing at the Nürburgring in April. Jim Clark then used the car in nine F2 races from May onwards, including his wins at Jarama and Keimola. Driven by Alex Solor-Roig at the Spanish GP in November, but his deal to race the car fell through. Retained for 1968, when it was Jackie Oliver's regular entry supported by Roger Frogley's Herts & Essex Aero Club and maintained by Derek Wilde. It was sold to Gerry Kinnane at the end of the European F2 season, and raced for him by Oliver in the Argentine Temporada in December. Then raced by John Watson at the opening F2 race of 1969, at Thruxton, but crashed and badly damaged. Repaired in Belfast with a new outer skin created by Fred Smith using the workshop of Belfast Corporation Bus Company on the Falls Road, and raced by John L'Amie for Kinnane later in the year. To Alan Fowler for 1970, and driven by Barrie Smith at the Thruxton F2 race in March 1970, but did not start. Reportedly sold by Fowler's D&A Shells to a collector in Nuneaton, and retained by him until 1997, when it was sold via John Harper to Bob Tabor (Llanrothal, Herefordshire). The car was restored by Tabor by Simon Hadfield, and the monocoque was rebuilt by Competition Fabrications (Attleborough, Norfolk) who carefully replaced the single-curvature Belfast-made outer skin with a correct double-curvature skin. A stronger rollhoop structure was also fitted. The rebuilt car was raced by Hadfield in the Goodwood Glover Trophy in September 1999.
- Brabham BT23 [2] (Ernesto "Tino" Brambilla): Motor Racing Developments entry for Denny Hulme in 1967 and probably the car used by Jack Brabham for a few races in July and August after his usual car was sold to Mick Mooney. Then raced by Frank Gardner in September. It was then taken to the Tasman series for Denny Hulme to drive after he had wrecked BT23-5 at Pukekohe. The BT23 was then advertised by Frank Williams in early April and sold by him to Ernesto 'Tino' Brambilla in Italy. Brambilla raced it as a Scuderia Picchio Rosso entry at Tulln-Langenlebarn in July 1968, but was then recruited by Ferrari to drive the F2 Dino 166, and his BT23 was only seen once more that season, when driven by Enzo Corti at Vallelunga in October. Corti drove the car for Scuderia Picchio Rosso right through the 1969 season, and it was then raced a few times in early 1970 by Vittorio Brambilla, Tino's younger brother. In 1970, the car had BT30 sidepods and wings. Its last appearance was in July 1970, after which the brothers bought new Brabham BT30s. The next steps in the car's life remains unclear, but it is said to have been acquired by Antonio Bernardo (Lugano, Switzerland) some time in the early 1970s. An original claim that Bernardo acquired it directly from the Winkelmann Racing at the end of the 1967 season appears to have been a misunderstanding. He stored it unused "for over 30 years". It was bought from Bernardo in 2006, and restored between 2006 and 2010. Paint layers on the bodywork match the colours used by MRD and Corti, and the double-rollhoop also matches Corti's car, but some questions remain unanswered about this car as of February 2023.
- McLaren M4A [200-22F] (Frank Gardner): This number is given for a Formula 2 car entered by Chequered Flag for Graeme Lawrence early in the 1968 season, then Frank Gardner and then Mike Walker. Likely to have been one of the four M4As advertised by Chequered Flag at the end of 1968.
- Brabham BT23 [3] (Günther Huber): Motor Racing Developments entry for Frank Gardner in 1967. To Squadra Tartaruga for Xavier Perrot (Zürich, Switzerland) to race in F2 in 1968. Retained early 1969 but damaged at Nürburgring 27 April by a Porsche landing on top of it. Sold via Jo Siffert in 1969 to Jacques Joliat (Porrentruy, Switzerland) who raced it in French and Swiss hillclimbs in 1970 and 1971, before replacing the FVA with a FVC for 1972. Unknown in 1973 and 1974, then to Michel Salvi (Malbuisson, France) and raced with a 1300cc Renault Gordini engine in 1975 and 1976. To Alain Ribager (Mulhouse, Alsace, France) in 1977, and raced by him until 1979. In 1980, Daniel Coquet raced a 1300cc Brabham a few times, and advertised it in October that year as a BT23 with 1300cc Renault engine. Then in 1981 and 1982, Jean-Pierre Mutel raced a Renault-engined BT23 which is very probably the same car. Found by Gérard Gamand in 1984 near Valence, France with March bodywork but still with a Renault engine. To Michel Champelovier 1989 then 'Hollinger' then Thierry De Mortier by 2006. To Max Pearson (Queensland, Australia) 2010.
- Brabham BT23C [12] (Corrado Manfredini): New to Frank Williams' customer Corrado Manfredini and raced as a Scuderia Picchio Rosso entry in F2 from June onwards. Returned to Williams and entered by Frank Williams Racing Cars for Malcolm Guthrie in F2 in early 1969 but sold to Bob Gerard (Leicester) in May and entered for his drivers Robin Widdows and Brian Hart, each of who won a race that summer in the car. Advertised by Gerard Racing as a rolling chassis in August 1970. Sold to drag racer Gerry Tyack (Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire) in 1970 and used to set four national speed records at Elvington, and also to win the Brighton Speed Trials. Advertised by Tyack in November 1971. Its history thereafter is unclear but it reappeared in 1986 being raced by Adrian Thomas in HSCC events, then with Kelvin Lambeth (London) in 1988-89 and with Monte Shalett (Metairie, LA) in 1990. Advertised by Mark Leonard of Grand Prix Classics (La Jolla, CA) in 1998 and sold by him to Peter Ball who did not use it much, preferring his FJ. From Bull to Harindra de Silva (Palos Verdes Estates, CA) February 2008 and raced in 2008 and 2009. Then stored until run in the F1 Support Race at COTA in November 2013.
- Lola T100 [SL100/4] (Mike Beckwith): Believed to be the works Lola T100 entered by Lola Racing for John Surtees to drive in Formula 2 at the start of 1967. Fitted with a Cosworth FVA engine and raced by Surtees at Snetterton and Silverstone in March 1967, then by Chris Irwin at the Nürburgring in April. Sold in May to David Bridges for Brian Redman to drive in F2 for the rest of that season. Retained by Bridges for F2 in 1968, when it was driven by Redman, Chris Williams, Mike Beckwith, David Hobbs and Robin Widdows. Sold to Robin Darlington (Ruaben, Wales) late 1969, and used in libre racing in 1970. He advertised it in January 1971 when it had a twin cam and was prepared for the new 1971 Formula Atlantic category. Robin cannot recall where it went, but it was next seen in Sprints in late 1973, when it was driven by Richard Lester (Yoxall, Staffordshire). The car was run by Lester in the 1600cc class in Sprints and occasional hillclimbs from 1974 to 1977. Lester then acquired a March 73B, and advertised the T100 in January 1978 as "ex-Redman" with an all-steel twin cam and Hewland FT200 gearbox. This is likely to be the red/white 1600cc Lola T100 that Kenneth Brill (Redditch, Worcestershire) raced in libre at Croft in 1978. Subsequent history unknown.
- Brabham BT23C [9] (Brian Hart): New to Church Farm Racing Team (Pagham, Sussex) for Derek Bell to race in F2 in 1968. Bell moved to the Ferrari F2 team in June 1968 and the car was raced by Jonathan Williams at Hockenheim, by Peter Westbury and Monza and then by Brian Hart for the rest of the season. Advertised in December 1968 and March 1969. Subsequent history unknown.
- Lotus 48 [R2] (Graham Hill): Graham Hill's regular Team Lotus entry in Formula 2 in 1967, raced by him in 16 of that season's races. Retained for 1968, when it was entered by Gold Leaf Team Lotus for Hill in a further eight F2 races. Sold to Gerry Kinnane's Team Ireland for 1969, and raced by John Pollock in the Thruxton F2 race in April and then in Irish 1600cc racing. Sold to Kevin Murphy in 1970 for Frank Keane to drive in Irish libre racing, primarily at Mondello Park, and in hillclimbs. Traded to Bobby Howlings for a Brabham BT30 in September 1970, and advertised by him the following month. Then evidently to Beric Ewin (Finchley, London) and fitted with a Ford twin cam engine for the new Formula Atlantic category in 1971 and 1972. Then unknown until acquired by a private collector in the late 1970s.
- Brabham BT23C [7] (Piers Courage): New to Frank Williams Racing Cars for Piers Courage to race in F2 in 1968. Also raced by Jonathan Williams to win at Monza in June. To Roly Levis (New Zealand) and raced in the 1969 Tasman series and at Singapore, Batu Tiga and Fuji in the following months. Raced in the opening rounds of the 1969/70 New Zealand season and then sold to Baron Robertson who raced it Pukekohe in early December. Levis then tested the car for Robertson in practice for the Bay Park International at the end of December but crashed heavily at Rothmans corner, effectively writing off the car. Robertson acquired a replacement frame from Racing Frames in England and built a car which used a different chassis number. The original BT23C/7 frame was rebuilt as a Formula Ford and raced by Peter Haskett in the 1973/74 NZ season. This car found its way to Martin Smith in the UK in the late 1980s after which it was restored to BT23C specification. Then unknown until acquired by Bobby Rahal in the US and extensively rebuilt by Phil Simkin some time before 2004. With Justin Segel (West Bloomfield, MI) in 2003. For sale in 2006 when said to have been owned by Tom Claridge (Fremont, CA). To Ted Wentz (Villanova, PA) 2008.
- Brabham BT23C [4] (Chris Lambert): New to London Racing Team for Chris Lambert to race in F2 in 1968. Crashed during the F2 race at Zandvoort on 28 July 1968 and Lambert was killed. Despite rumours that the car was broken up, Lambert's mechanic at the time, Alastair Dimock, says that the unrepaired car and all spares were sold to Frank Williams at the request of Chris' father. Subsequent history unknown.
- McLaren M4A [200-15F] (Robin Widdows): This number is given for a Formula 2 car built up by Chequered Flag in June 1968 for Robin Widdows after he crashed his regular car at Crystal Palace. As this chassis number is lower than that of his regular car, it suggests that the car may have been sitting around in kit form, opening up the possibility that several other McLarens with similar numbers may have been completed out of order. Likely to have been one of the four M4As advertised by Chequered Flag at the end of 1968. Sold to Charles Kirkbride (Chatham Hills, NJ) and fitted with a 2.5-litre Climax engine for Formula A in NEDiv events from 1969 to 1972. Then unknown until purchased by a New Jersey owner in 1984 and retained by him until advertised on race-cars.com. To Richard Griot (Seattle, WA) in late 1990s or early 2000s.
- Tecno 68/F2 [T00 286] (Silvio Moser): New to Silvio Moser (Lugano, Switzerland) and raced in European F2 and Swiss Championship events in 1968, entered by Charles Vögele. Also taken to the Argentine Temporada at the end that year. Sold to Roland Binder (Esslingen, Germany) for F2 in 1969, but crashed badly at Hockenheim in June. Binder then acquired the sister car T00 284 from Tecno and raced that in F2 in late 1969, and then in 1970 and 1971. According to later owner Oliver Heschl-Gillespie, the ex-Moser Tecno went to Bernd Burger (Rüsselsheim, Germany) and was converted to a Group 7 sports car using a KMW body as the "Burger P3", still with its 1600cc Cosworth FVA. Burger ran a "Burger-Eigenbau" in 1970 and 1971, but that may have been based on a Lotus. He raced the "P3" in German national racing 1973 and 1974 after which the rolling chassis was sold to Karl Langjahr (Darmstadt, Germany) who fitted a Porsche engine and raced it in Interserie and national events as a Tecno-Porsche until 1980. Then to Bernd Becker (Idar-Oberstein, Germany) who only wanted the engine. The car continued via Kurt Henn (Idar-Oberstein, Germany) to Christina Berthold (Nürnberg, Germany) who raced it briefly with a new Porsche engine at which point it was sold to the Rosso Bianco Collection (Aschaffenburg, Germany). Sold by the museum in 1999, it passed via an Viennese Porsche dealer to Olivier Heschl-Gillespie (Vienna, Austria) who had it restored by Karl Langjahr to its 1974 specification.
- Brabham BT23C [11] (Alan Rees): New to Winkelmann Racing for Alan Rees to race in F2 in 1968 but also raced by Gerhard Mitter at Hockenheim in October. To Bill Ivey for 1969 and entered for him in F2 races by Paul Watson Racing Organisation (PWRO). To Brian Cullen (Limerick, County Limerick, Ireland) in August 1969 and he raced it in a F5000 race and in libre in 1969, in European F2 events in 1970, and at Bogotá in early 1971. Entered by Irish Racing Team for Lingard Goulding at Mondello Park in July 1971 and then maybe the BT23C raced by Ted Shanahan (Dublin) over the next two months and also possibly the BT23C raced by Roy Courtney (Lisburn, County Antrim, Northern Ireland) in local clubmans/club specials racing in 1972. To Harold McGarrity (Belfast) for 1973 and raced in Formula Ireland with a 1.6-litre Holbay engine. To Paddy Heron for 1974 and raced in clubmans and in Formula Atlantic. For sale from Glengormley in 1975 and entered by Belfast car dealer Noel Crymble for Chris Stanfield to race at Kirkistown a couple of times until the Holbay pushrod engine blew up. Next seen when bought from Ireland by Mark Raymont who still had it in the late 1980s with a Holbay engine and Hewland Mk 8 gearbox. Sold to Steve Worrad (Whitchurch, Shropshire) of Maverick Motorsport around 2002 and restored by him. For sale by Maverick in 2004 and sold the following year via the Bonhams auction at RAF Hendon to Joe Willenpart (Scheibbs, Austria).
Sources
Note that the identification of individual cars in these results is based on the material presented elsewhere in this site and may in some cases contradict the organisers' published results.
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